who might be skittish on that. it's also a fair number of moderate democrats who are up for re-election in the next cycle, 2014, who are from red states, who simply will not even talk to reporters about the idea, much less endorse the idea of supporting any kind of new gun control measures yet. >> even now. you would -- well, i'm being naive, i know. if you have strong feelings about it, after what newtown happened, don't constituents want to know what their legislators think? why not just embrace what you think even if you say, well, i don't think gun control laws should be put into place in america. >> if i told you it was tough politics, would you be shocked? that that's the reason why. but in all fairness, i think that the political realities and the fact it is politically tough, despite what happened in newtown for a lot of politicians to do anything to anger the gun rights enthusiasts. and we're talking about, as you reported, a 4 million member organization, it's tough for them to do that. i think also, everybody is just trying to kind of work through what could be possible legis